Finally....a "D" Plane pic.....by Manzella

Kevin Shields · 09-12-2008, 09:03 PM

That'a gonna be a hard up and down from back there.

Great visual explanation.

thefuture37 · 09-12-2008, 09:25 PM

how is this different from the concept of clubface orientation and path? what is the third point in the plane and how does it make a difference? Is that slanted orange line supposed to be parallel to the end of the ball curvature?

self-mastery · 09-12-2008, 09:26 PM

How do real golfers use this?

Brian Manzella · 09-12-2008, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thefuture37

how is this different from the concept of clubface orientation and path? what is the third point in the plane and how does it make a difference? Is that slanted orange line supposed to be parallel to the end of the ball curvature?

Well....

The old PGA "Ball Flight Laws says that the ball would start on the PATh and curve to the face.

Wrong.

The ball starts between 70 and 90% toward the WHOLE FACE (including loft) and curves AWAY from the path.

Brian Manzella · 09-12-2008, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by self-mastery

How do real golfers use this?

For starters, everyone can stop trying to swing WAY inside-out.

curtisj76 · 09-12-2008, 11:06 PM

Brian, can you do us a big favor and show how the ball would go based on the old PGA "Ball Flight Laws? I think that would help some. Thanks

welshdentist · 09-13-2008, 05:54 AM

Just to get the straight in my simple mind...

Mr Sneads path would be "y" Yards right

Mr Sneads clubface would be aimed about "x" yards right at impact/separation

Ball would start about 70-80% toward "x" yards right and curve left "z" amount to finish left of target.

Is there anyway of working out how much to the left it would go?

Are all computer launch monitors configured with "old" ball flight laws?

golfspike · 09-13-2008, 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Manzella

Well....

The old PGA "Ball Flight Laws says that the ball would start on the PATh and curve to the face.

Wrong.

The ball starts between 70 and 90% toward the WHOLE FACE (including loft) and curves AWAY from the path.

Here is a true Hogan story . Hitting balls perfectly he all of a sudden hit 2 pull draws in a row and promptly went back to the clubhouse and locked himself away for a few hours not to be disturbed. Upon returning from the deep session of contemplation he was asked what was the answer . All he said was the face was closed.
See its no big deal is it and Hogan didn't need all the fancy gadgets to figure out the problem

Brian Manzella · 09-13-2008, 07:20 AM

The Gary Wire inspired, old PGA Ball Flight "Laws" result:

The be fair, the PGA did NOT use the path or clubface in 3-d, like the D plane.

09-12-2008, 08:29 PM	#1 (permalink)
Brian Manzella Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: USA. Posts: 10,417	Finally....a "D" Plane pic.....by Manzella __________________ Use your Pivot to snap your Kinetic Chain, and to assist your arms, hands and club with creating the proper "D" Plane for the selected shot. Everything else is show biz! Brian Manzella is a PGA Teaching Professional and Authorized Doctor of Golf Stroke Engineering (Instructor) of The Golfing Machine who teaches out of English Turn Golf and Country Club in New Orleans, Louisiana

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Kevin Shields Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,165	That'a gonna be a hard up and down from back there. Great visual explanation. __________________ Kevin Shields

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self-mastery Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: mountaintop Posts: 1,424	How do real golfers use this? __________________ LO-CHO is tired of golf `

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curtisj76 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: IA, USA. Posts: 1,643	Brian, can you do us a big favor and show how the ball would go based on the old PGA "Ball Flight Laws? I think that would help some. Thanks __________________ Go Hawks! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dyh44R6sK7M

09-13-2008, 05:54 AM	#8 (permalink)
welshdentist Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: London, UK Posts: 329	Just to get the straight in my simple mind... Mr Sneads path would be "y" Yards right Mr Sneads clubface would be aimed about "x" yards right at impact/separation Ball would start about 70-80% toward "x" yards right and curve left "z" amount to finish left of target. Is there anyway of working out how much to the left it would go? Are all computer launch monitors configured with "old" ball flight laws? __________________ Golf can be fun but nothing can ease the pain of the wife being off +0.1 when you're of 5.3 Short game issues almost over, then watch out wife D-Plane knowledge changed my life.

09-12-2008, 09:25 PM	#3 (permalink)
thefuture37 Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 856	how is this different from the concept of clubface orientation and path? what is the third point in the plane and how does it make a difference? Is that slanted orange line supposed to be parallel to the end of the ball curvature?

09-13-2008, 07:20 AM	#10 (permalink)
Brian Manzella Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: USA. Posts: 10,417	The Gary Wire inspired, old PGA Ball Flight "Laws" result: The be fair, the PGA did NOT use the path or clubface in 3-d, like the D plane. __________________ Use your Pivot to snap your Kinetic Chain, and to assist your arms, hands and club with creating the proper "D" Plane for the selected shot. Everything else is show biz! Brian Manzella is a PGA Teaching Professional and Authorized Doctor of Golf Stroke Engineering (Instructor) of The Golfing Machine who teaches out of English Turn Golf and Country Club in New Orleans, Louisiana

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