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Old 10-26-2008, 11:36 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Just found the softdraw video. Ordered it last night and got it downloaded by morning.

I learn via images so I quickly put this graphic together as far as I understand what I've seen so far. Do I have this about right?

When we aim the clubhead and butt of the club at a target we are talking about the red dot yes?

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I have to go try this. Currently looking OK at the 'top' then getting into a laid off Sergio down waggle that is preventing me from hitting any decent woods. I like the aiming ideas so far.

Brian let me know if I have the illustration on the right path. This video is a lot more refined than the previous. Great effort.

Thanks

I have not posted any images here before so you may have to click on a thumbnail or link etc.
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Old 10-27-2008, 01:39 AM   #2 (permalink)
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ooops. 17 minutes into the video... i think Brian meant slightly closed toe line vs the plane line.

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exaggerated graphic of course...

Edit... OR is it the illusion of closed when really you are just about parallel when lining up with feet pretty much on or right of target?

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The plane line is the same as the direction of force at the true low point of the stroke however if the ball is struck with a descending blow the force will travel right of the plane line. Coupling this with setting the plane line right of the target line means the player must hit a draw if he is to have a chance to land the ball at the intended target. This is fine if this is what your procedure will produce with a particular club.

On the other hand you will not be able to use a uniform target 1 yard right of target as the alignment offset for all your clubs. I don't want to get too deep into this so lets just say ball flight adjustments just doesn't work that way - great future topic of discussion.

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The plane line is the same as the direction of force at the true low point of the stroke however if the ball is struck with a descending blow the force will travel right of the plane line. Coupling this with setting the plane line right of the target line means the player must hit a draw if he is to have a chance to land the ball at the intended target. This is fine if this is what your procedure will produce with a particular club.

On the other hand you will not be able to use a uniform target 1 yard right of target as the alignment offset for all your clubs. I don't want to get too deep into this so lets just say ball flight just doesn't work that way - great future topic of discussion.
Good post, Matthew.

The "Aim-your-feet-one-yard-to-the-right" idea, is just a way to get folks to not aim way to the left.

Lots of of aim left, swing right folks out there. Even more aim-left-CAN'T-swing-right folks.
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Good post, Matthew.

The "Aim-your-feet-one-yard-to-the-right" idea, is just a way to get folks to not aim way to the left.

Lots of of aim left, swing right folks out there. Even more aim-left-CAN'T-swing-right folks.
Thanks and can understand your logic perfectly.
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would there be a need to aim different degrees right depending on what club is used?
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Before we go any further, lets clear something up:

Golf Clubs ARE NOT DESIGNED TO HAVE MORE FORWARD LEAN THE SHORTER and more lofted THEY GET!!!!!!
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would there be a need to aim different degrees right depending on what club is used?
i'd guess D-Plane issues. you tend to hit down more with a 9 iron then a 3 wood, so the true path is more inside-out with a shorter club, so this would effect the ball flight characteristics.

just guessing here.

but this would be offset by the fact that the higher loft, the less sidespin there is, and would not draw as much (depending on clubface alignments obviously)

but D-Plane ball flights seem to cause pulled short irons more than over-drawing irons. and seen as the soft draw pattern is a slight pull draw, this would mean you aim more to the right with a shorter iron than a longer club.

aiming your feet 1 yard right of the target 60 yards away is more degrees to the right than 1 yard right of the target that is 200 yards away. so with the likelyhood of pulled shorter irons, you need a bigger angle aimed-to-right-of target than with a longer club, which "1 yard to right of target" covers all together!

sorry for ramblings but i think i may be onto something ...
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Cool. License to close stance as you go up in clubs. More for some less for others.

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The plane line is the same as the direction of force at the true low point of the stroke however if the ball is struck with a descending blow the force will travel right of the plane line. Coupling this with setting the plane line right of the target line means the player must hit a draw if he is to have a chance to land the ball at the intended target. This is fine if this is what your procedure will produce with a particular club.

On the other hand you will not be able to use a uniform target 1 yard right of target as the alignment offset for all your clubs. I don't want to get too deep into this so lets just say ball flight adjustments just doesn't work that way - great future topic of discussion.
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Thanks for that Brian.

I was not sure how 'weighted' the concept was as compared to others I had picked out in the video.

I went to the range yesterday and all I did was 'permit' myself to stomp on each foot for back and through. Nice. Very liberating. The feel was a little free and easy, almost sloppy but I would imagine the motion would have been much more dynamic. I like the feeling of moving to something instead of stressing about positions.

Now to work on my shut face move from the top...



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Good post, Matthew.

The "Aim-your-feet-one-yard-to-the-right" idea, is just a way to get folks to not aim way to the left.

Lots of of aim left, swing right folks out there. Even more aim-left-CAN'T-swing-right folks.
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