Fred Couples and happy slices

[Thomogolf]

Have just studied NHA 2.0 which again is another great cotribution to golfdom and learnt even more from this forum Thanks Brian. Apart from the strong grip and extra fanned backswing is Fred Couples one of the best examples of NHA?
Also are there many greats (Past and Present) apart from Bobby Locke, who played or play a draw-hook on a regular basis

[pecky987]

Originally Posted by Thomogolf

Have just studied NHA 2.0 which again is another great cotribution to golfdom and learnt even more from this forum Thanks Brian. Apart from the strong grip and extra fanned backswing is Fred Couples one of the best examples of NHA?
Also are there many greats (Past and Present) apart from Bobby Locke, who played or play a draw-hook on a regular basis

david toms or fred couples. more fred couples i think personally

[Brian Manzella]

A few logos and business card ago, my logo was a stick man in 5 positions.

It was Fred Couples.

When I used "Never Hook Again" and played my very best golf ever, I didn't "think" DT, I thought "Freddie."

[glcoach]

But....Freddie doesn't really swing left like Toms.

[pecky987]

Originally Posted by glcoach

But....Freddie doesn't really swing left like Toms.

freddie uses the turning shoulder plane, and works more under the sweetspot then DT. Toms comes down slightly steeper then most and swings hard left with a hold-off release.

different methods, similar results

[Deadly_Scope]

Generally as a stock teeing off shot you want to hit a shot with a 'fade bias' because the deviation in direction will never be as great as a shot with a 'draw bias'. This obviously requires enough proficiency in hitting the fade over the draw but in your standard straight fairway, from a technical standpoint, is the correct shot to play.

There are times that this is not applicable as some holes are designed for playing shots with a draw bias for several different reasons.

A careful look at your dispersion patterns on the range with different stroke variations will provide you with all the details you need to know to crank the percentages and show you the best shot to play taking the considerations of the hole into account.

[Jim Kobylinski]

Originally Posted by Deadly_Scope

Generally as a stock teeing off shot you want to hit a shot with a 'fade bias' because the deviation in direction will never be as great as a shot with a 'draw bias'. This obviously requires enough proficiency in hitting the fade over the draw but in your standard straight fairway, from a technical standpoint, is the correct shot to play.

This is a hall of fame post, never even thought of it this way

[Kevin Shields]

Originally Posted by Deadly_Scope

Generally as a stock teeing off shot you want to hit a shot with a 'fade bias' because the deviation in direction will never be as great as a shot with a 'draw bias'. This obviously requires enough proficiency in hitting the fade over the draw but in your standard straight fairway, from a technical standpoint, is the correct shot to play.

There are times that this is not applicable as some holes are designed for playing shots with a draw bias for several different reasons.

A careful look at your dispersion patterns on the range with different stroke variations will provide you with all the details you need to know to crank the percentages and show you the best shot to play taking the considerations of the hole into account.

How can you possibly make the assumption that a fade has less deviation than a draw? If done the right way, there should be absolutely no difference in accuracy. None. I think that has become common theory because alot of good players "hold off" the face for a fade and have left arm pop out and underplane face roll for a draw. If that's the case, a fade would be more accurate, in theory.

[Bigwill]

Originally Posted by Deadly_Scope

Generally as a stock teeing off shot you want to hit a shot with a 'fade bias' because the deviation in direction will never be as great as a shot with a 'draw bias'. This obviously requires enough proficiency in hitting the fade over the draw but in your standard straight fairway, from a technical standpoint, is the correct shot to play.

There are times that this is not applicable as some holes are designed for playing shots with a draw bias for several different reasons.

A careful look at your dispersion patterns on the range with different stroke variations will provide you with all the details you need to know to crank the percentages and show you the best shot to play taking the considerations of the hole into account.

I've noticed that when I'm fading the ball, it dosen't move as much (or as quickly) as when I'm drawing the ball. Maybe because of the factors that Kevin points out (holding off the face, no pop-out or underplane face roll)? I dunno, but I do know that the ball stays "between the uprights" better when I'm trying to play with a fade.

So, come on with that Soft Fade vid, Brian!

[Jim Kobylinski]

Originally Posted by Kevin Shields

How can you possibly make the assumption that a fade has less deviation than a draw? If done the right way, there should be absolutely no difference in accuracy. None. I think that has become common theory because alot of good players "hold off" the face for a fade and have left arm pop out and underplane face roll for a draw. If that's the case, a fade would be more accurate, in theory.

IMO you are both right, as you say if done absolutely correctly i would agree no difference. However every shot has tendencies and from my experience; people who hit fades tend to hit higher shots that spin a bit more than the people who draw it.

If you accidentally "under spin" a draw by delofting too much it will turn into a quick snapper where if you accidentally "over spin" your fade it will balloon more up than it will slice in most cases.

Let me preface my opinion above that i am talking more about better players; obviously anyone with poor clubface control can make the ball do all kinds of wild things