I need some help

golfman5900 · 11-13-2008, 10:24 PM

Well I haven't posted here in a very long time, but here goes. I think posted last when I was a little better than a 20 handicap, now I have an 8.5 index mostly due to my short game (it only took me four years to understand that was the most important part of the game

). Now to the other part of my game! I'm a flipper and a bad one at that. I use a golf machine based method to swing and found that it has helped my contact and striking abilities some, but I still have a lot of problems. The most aggravating part of my problem is that I can feel my flip happen just before my left arm reaches perpendicular to the ground on the downswing, yet I am powerless to stop it! Every swing the same thing; I feel it happen at the same spot and can't stop it! I know I can hold that wrist angle, I do it all the time in chip shots and pitch shots! As you can imagine I am VERY interested in the "confessions of a former flipper video" but I do have a question. On another forum someone mentioned that "never slice again" might be even better for helping me keep a flat left wrist. Should I pick up NSA or the Flipper video?

Also if you would like to see my swing I can post a link to a youtube video of it (is that within the forum rules?).

Thanks!

Brian Manzella · 11-13-2008, 10:29 PM

MANZELLA RULE #423

IF YOU KNOW WHAT A FLIP REALLY IS, AND YOU KNOW YOU DO IT, AND YOU KNOW YOU SHOULDN'T, AND YOU ARE TRYING NOT TO, BUT YOU DO ANYWAY:

You hit it better when you flip.

Because, you have a clubface problem, or a REALLY BELOW PLANE problem.

Where do you driver misses go? Where do your 6-iron misses go?

golfman5900 · 11-13-2008, 11:12 PM

Hi Brian,
My driver miss is a push. Sometimes a straight push, sometimes it will draw or hook on top of that push. I'd say that is about the same miss I have for my 6 iron as well, except that occasionally I will also hit a pull hook. Sometimes I'll actually have 3 piles of balls on the range when I'm hitting. One where I am intending the ball to go, one directly off to the right when I hit a push (generally a little shorter as well) and one that is off to the left and is a little longer (the pull hook/draw...although I don't feel over the top). Generally speaking though, my miss is a push.

I am going to check the forum rules and if it's allowed I will post a link to my swing. Unfortunately the only one I have showing a DTL view is when I am not hitting any balls (just practicing in the backyard).

Thanks again!

golfman5900 · 11-13-2008, 11:21 PM

Well I couldn't see a rule saying I can't post a link to my swing on youtube, so here it is:

The reason I'm a bad golfer....on film!

Close

You need to upgrade your Flash Player

Now I was just practicing in my backyard working on feel. The DTL view (which shows my swing plane) starts at about 1:24.

For a video of me hitting shot (only face on view though) go to this link:

Stack and Tilt 8 iron Oct 24

Close

You need to upgrade your Flash Player

Thanks for the quick response I appreciate it!

jenhaoyen · 11-14-2008, 01:37 AM

I know this might not be relevant but I heard stack and tilt gives you a lot of back problems.
Is that true?

golfman5900 · 11-14-2008, 02:32 AM

My back is fine and I have experienced no problems with it, but I think any swing can potentially hurt your back especially if your not performing it properly.

Mashie72 · 11-14-2008, 09:54 AM

For a video of me hitting shot (only face on view though) go to this link:

golfman5900,

1) FWIW, I highly recommend all of Brian's videos..I haven't picked up NSA but have CFF, SDP and NHA..

2) IMO, it sounds and looks like you use S&T because you said your swing is based on TGM which they claim in their video..If this is the case, you might want to check the level of your head...It goes a whisker left at the top but more importantly down quite a bit to impact..It's my understanding in S&T that your waist bend and tilting action must cancel each other out and have a net result of a stationary head..So, if you go down (IMO) this will contribute to your group of balls on the right..

3)This post is only intended to help and not step on anyone's toes..

Hope it helps,

Mashie72

golfman5900 · 11-14-2008, 01:05 PM

Thanks Mashie, I am willing to accept any and all help avaliable!

Brian, looking at my swing and knowing my misses, which video do you think would be a better initial purchase?

Thanks again

suns11111 · 11-14-2008, 01:22 PM

well said Mashie

Mashie72 · 11-14-2008, 02:41 PM

Thanks Mashie, I am willing to accept any and all help avaliable!

You're welcome..Anytime

11-13-2008, 10:24 PM	#1 (permalink)
golfman5900 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 17	I need some help Well I haven't posted here in a very long time, but here goes. I think posted last when I was a little better than a 20 handicap, now I have an 8.5 index mostly due to my short game (it only took me four years to understand that was the most important part of the game). Now to the other part of my game! I'm a flipper and a bad one at that. I use a golf machine based method to swing and found that it has helped my contact and striking abilities some, but I still have a lot of problems. The most aggravating part of my problem is that I can feel my flip happen just before my left arm reaches perpendicular to the ground on the downswing, yet I am powerless to stop it! Every swing the same thing; I feel it happen at the same spot and can't stop it! I know I can hold that wrist angle, I do it all the time in chip shots and pitch shots! As you can imagine I am VERY interested in the "confessions of a former flipper video" but I do have a question. On another forum someone mentioned that "never slice again" might be even better for helping me keep a flat left wrist. Should I pick up NSA or the Flipper video? Also if you would like to see my swing I can post a link to a youtube video of it (is that within the forum rules?). Thanks!

11-13-2008, 10:29 PM	#2 (permalink)
Brian Manzella MANZELLA GOLF ACADEMY Director of Instruction Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: USA. Posts: 9,094	You flip because.... MANZELLA RULE #423 IF YOU KNOW WHAT A FLIP REALLY IS, AND YOU KNOW YOU DO IT, AND YOU KNOW YOU SHOULDN'T, AND YOU ARE TRYING NOT TO, BUT YOU DO ANYWAY: You hit it better when you flip. Because, you have a clubface problem, or a REALLY BELOW PLANE problem. Where do you driver misses go? Where do your 6-iron misses go? __________________ Use your Pivot to snap your Kinetic Chain, and to assist your arms, hands and club with creating the proper "D" Plane for the selected shot. Everything else is show biz Brian Manzella is a PGA Teaching Professional and Authorized Doctor of Golf Stroke Engineering (Instructor) of The Golfing Machine who teaches in New Orleans, Louisiana and Louisville, Kentucky.

11-14-2008, 09:54 AM	#7 (permalink)
Mashie72 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 21	S&T Thought For a video of me hitting shot (only face on view though) go to this link: golfman5900, 1) FWIW, I highly recommend all of Brian's videos..I haven't picked up NSA but have CFF, SDP and NHA.. 2) IMO, it sounds and looks like you use S&T because you said your swing is based on TGM which they claim in their video..If this is the case, you might want to check the level of your head...It goes a whisker left at the top but more importantly down quite a bit to impact..It's my understanding in S&T that your waist bend and tilting action must cancel each other out and have a net result of a stationary head..So, if you go down (IMO) this will contribute to your group of balls on the right.. 3)This post is only intended to help and not step on anyone's toes.. Hope it helps, Mashie72

11-14-2008, 02:41 PM	#10 (permalink)
Mashie72 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 21	De Nada Thanks Mashie, I am willing to accept any and all help avaliable! You're welcome..Anytime

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11-13-2008, 11:12 PM	#3 (permalink)
golfman5900 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 17	Hi Brian, My driver miss is a push. Sometimes a straight push, sometimes it will draw or hook on top of that push. I'd say that is about the same miss I have for my 6 iron as well, except that occasionally I will also hit a pull hook. Sometimes I'll actually have 3 piles of balls on the range when I'm hitting. One where I am intending the ball to go, one directly off to the right when I hit a push (generally a little shorter as well) and one that is off to the left and is a little longer (the pull hook/draw...although I don't feel over the top). Generally speaking though, my miss is a push. I am going to check the forum rules and if it's allowed I will post a link to my swing. Unfortunately the only one I have showing a DTL view is when I am not hitting any balls (just practicing in the backyard). Thanks again!

11-13-2008, 11:21 PM	#4 (permalink)
golfman5900 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 17	Well I couldn't see a rule saying I can't post a link to my swing on youtube, so here it is: The reason I'm a bad golfer....on film! Close You need to upgrade your Flash Player Now I was just practicing in my backyard working on feel. The DTL view (which shows my swing plane) starts at about 1:24. For a video of me hitting shot (only face on view though) go to this link: Stack and Tilt 8 iron Oct 24 Close You need to upgrade your Flash Player Thanks for the quick response I appreciate it!

11-14-2008, 01:37 AM	#5 (permalink)
jenhaoyen Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 352	I know this might not be relevant but I heard stack and tilt gives you a lot of back problems. Is that true?

11-14-2008, 02:32 AM	#6 (permalink)
golfman5900 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 17	My back is fine and I have experienced no problems with it, but I think any swing can potentially hurt your back especially if your not performing it properly.

11-14-2008, 01:05 PM	#8 (permalink)
golfman5900 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 17	Thanks Mashie, I am willing to accept any and all help avaliable! Brian, looking at my swing and knowing my misses, which video do you think would be a better initial purchase? Thanks again

11-14-2008, 01:22 PM	#9 (permalink)
suns11111 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Duluth, MN Posts: 119	well said Mashie

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