Beating OTT Once and For All... Stuck Again.

ColinMB · 11-18-2008, 09:12 AM

Hey folks,

It's been a while since I posted but I always have a look around. The season is done here as snow hits the ground and I reflected back on a mediocre season (my 3rd). I never hit modest goals I had and when I look back the number one culprit was coming over the top. That over the top move that puts you so far in the bush, you're looking at a triple bogey with a 2 putt.

I finally built up "respectable" power last year, but I bet I'm still leaving yardage on the table without being able to attack the inside of the ball properly.

So I've been a frequent customer of Brian's starting with NSA 2.0, and moved on to the other videos. I could never really 'get' the soft draw pattern... but I don't want to get ahead of myself. I will try to post video if I can rip it from a DVD I have.....

But in the meantime, I started my winter session and I've had *really* decent instructors try to help me and I just saw my video results last night and I was pretty disgusted in what I was doing.

It feels like I've tried everything, so here I ask the Manzella community for a solution. What is the best advice, the best move, the best training you would offer someone sick to death of this move? It feels like I've tried everything. Any nuggets of info that I possibly haven't heard would be greatly appreciated.

kc8kir · 11-18-2008, 01:03 PM

How's your right foot action? I keep finding that I get up on the right toe too early in the downswing, which throws my right shoulder out and around, causing an OTT move and corresponding out - in clubhead path. I am working now on 3/4 swings flat footed (rolling the insides of the feet) to fix this, plus controlling the swing with my pivot instead of my arms (the biggest issue).

Still having a really hard time not slicing woods. Arrrghhh just gimme a 1 iron already!

rbaumgolf · 11-18-2008, 01:49 PM

Don't get discouraged too quickly - practice/practice/practice It takes time my friend. The best instructions still takes along time to "get it right"; and once you get it right it still takes effort to "keep it right". Knowledge is only half the battle. The other half is execution and that's the hardest part. Small improvements can happen quickly but its been my experience that long term big improvement sometimes takes years. Esspecially is you are a self taught hacker to begin with.

Its worth the effort though. My game went from 100+ to a pretty normal 12 handicap - it took about 3 years - My next goal is to hit the sub 80s. I figure another year.............

drulf · 11-18-2008, 02:04 PM

Well

This low-skill subarctic hacker thought he was OTT for several years before realizing his pullhook was more likely due to flipping an open face closed on a severely in to out path...

A nice local pro told me to feel swinging OTT 10 years ago, I just thought he was nuts...just give me a time-machine, please

dannyc · 11-18-2008, 02:24 PM

why do you say you are OTT? is it b/c of your misses or what you see on video?
where do your misses go?
the reason i ask is b/c i had some *decent* instructors try to help me before, and they turned out to be line drawers. i would be hooking the crap out of the ball, and they'd have be bringing it more up the initial shaft plane, and trying to "furyk" loop it at the top to come back down that line when i got towards a release point.
this was before, of course, i came here and learned things like the tsp and being underplane.
the ball doesn't lie.

ColinMB · 11-18-2008, 03:18 PM

No, it's what I see on video. It is my bane. I'm definitely OTT.....

I think I can be OTT and have different ball flights. Driver severe OTT equals a gross, long curving slice. With an iron, there's no sidespin so it's a cruddy pull.

I have many swing issues but I absolutely hate being OTT. I saw it on video last night... I was hoping to be 'past' this already.

dannyc · 11-18-2008, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ColinMB

No, it's what I see on video. It is my bane. I'm definitely OTT.....

I think I can be OTT and have different ball flights. Driver severe OTT equals a gross, long curving slice. With an iron, there's no sidespin so it's a cruddy pull.

I have many swing issues but I absolutely hate being OTT. I saw it on video last night... I was hoping to be 'past' this already.

i guess that is my point...if you are ott, why aren't your irons cutting? the ball starts (basically) where the face is pointing and turns away from a divergent plane.
video can be a real bugger if you're not sure what you are looking at. you don't have to come down the same plane you go up...

thefuture37 · 11-18-2008, 05:23 PM

post down the line video

you say you have NSA. watch it again. and then actually do it. it sounds like you are flipping it also

jenhaoyen · 11-18-2008, 05:28 PM

I think alot of times when you come over the top (can't do sd) is because you over rotate your left arm. I used not be able to do SD and I used to flip and come over the top because if i don't do so I have no chance to hit that ball/square the club face.
It's kinda like hitting a baseball, do you see anybody rotate their left forearm on the backswing? no, because then your bat will be parallel to the ground, it will be hard for you to hit the ball. Just my two cents.

Brian Manzella · 11-18-2008, 06:24 PM

TEN OVER-the-TOP FIXES

1. Right Shoulder at start down moves toward IN YOUR right pants pocket.

2. Keep your tailbone ahead of your neck bone.

3. Retain your backswing hip turn amount into the downswing.

4. Keep right arm under the left.

5. Butt of the club starts down out to right field.

6. LEFT SHOULDER UP!!

7. Left Arm works DOWN your chest in start down.

8. Right heel LEADS right toe into impact.

9. Wedding ring up swivel

10. Work right elbow under left at start down.

11-18-2008, 09:12 AM	#1 (permalink)
ColinMB Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 121	Beating OTT Once and For All... Stuck Again. Hey folks, It's been a while since I posted but I always have a look around. The season is done here as snow hits the ground and I reflected back on a mediocre season (my 3rd). I never hit modest goals I had and when I look back the number one culprit was coming over the top. That over the top move that puts you so far in the bush, you're looking at a triple bogey with a 2 putt. I finally built up "respectable" power last year, but I bet I'm still leaving yardage on the table without being able to attack the inside of the ball properly. So I've been a frequent customer of Brian's starting with NSA 2.0, and moved on to the other videos. I could never really 'get' the soft draw pattern... but I don't want to get ahead of myself. I will try to post video if I can rip it from a DVD I have..... But in the meantime, I started my winter session and I've had really decent instructors try to help me and I just saw my video results last night and I was pretty disgusted in what I was doing. It feels like I've tried everything, so here I ask the Manzella community for a solution. What is the best advice, the best move, the best training you would offer someone sick to death of this move? It feels like I've tried everything. Any nuggets of info that I possibly haven't heard would be greatly appreciated.

11-18-2008, 02:04 PM	#4 (permalink)
drulf Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: . Posts: 47	Face or path face or path Well This low-skill subarctic hacker thought he was OTT for several years before realizing his pullhook was more likely due to flipping an open face closed on a severely in to out path... A nice local pro told me to feel swinging OTT 10 years ago, I just thought he was nuts...just give me a time-machine, please

11-18-2008, 06:24 PM	#10 (permalink)
Brian Manzella MANZELLA GOLF ACADEMY Director of Instruction Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: USA. Posts: 9,103	TEN OVER-the-TOP FIXES 1. Right Shoulder at start down moves toward IN YOUR right pants pocket. 2. Keep your tailbone ahead of your neck bone. 3. Retain your backswing hip turn amount into the downswing. 4. Keep right arm under the left. 5. Butt of the club starts down out to right field. 6. LEFT SHOULDER UP!! 7. Left Arm works DOWN your chest in start down. 8. Right heel LEADS right toe into impact. 9. Wedding ring up swivel 10. Work right elbow under left at start down. __________________ Use your Pivot to snap your Kinetic Chain, and to assist your arms, hands and club with creating the proper "D" Plane for the selected shot. Everything else is show biz Brian Manzella is a PGA Teaching Professional and Authorized Doctor of Golf Stroke Engineering (Instructor) of The Golfing Machine who teaches in New Orleans, Louisiana and Louisville, Kentucky.

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11-18-2008, 01:03 PM	#2 (permalink)
kc8kir Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 30	How's your right foot action? I keep finding that I get up on the right toe too early in the downswing, which throws my right shoulder out and around, causing an OTT move and corresponding out - in clubhead path. I am working now on 3/4 swings flat footed (rolling the insides of the feet) to fix this, plus controlling the swing with my pivot instead of my arms (the biggest issue). Still having a really hard time not slicing woods. Arrrghhh just gimme a 1 iron already!

11-18-2008, 01:49 PM	#3 (permalink)
rbaumgolf Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: USA. Posts: 272	Don't get discouraged too quickly - practice/practice/practice It takes time my friend. The best instructions still takes along time to "get it right"; and once you get it right it still takes effort to "keep it right". Knowledge is only half the battle. The other half is execution and that's the hardest part. Small improvements can happen quickly but its been my experience that long term big improvement sometimes takes years. Esspecially is you are a self taught hacker to begin with. Its worth the effort though. My game went from 100+ to a pretty normal 12 handicap - it took about 3 years - My next goal is to hit the sub 80s. I figure another year.............

11-18-2008, 02:24 PM	#5 (permalink)
dannyc Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 137	why do you say you are OTT? is it b/c of your misses or what you see on video? where do your misses go? the reason i ask is b/c i had some decent instructors try to help me before, and they turned out to be line drawers. i would be hooking the crap out of the ball, and they'd have be bringing it more up the initial shaft plane, and trying to "furyk" loop it at the top to come back down that line when i got towards a release point. this was before, of course, i came here and learned things like the tsp and being underplane. the ball doesn't lie.

11-18-2008, 03:18 PM	#6 (permalink)
ColinMB Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 121	No, it's what I see on video. It is my bane. I'm definitely OTT..... I think I can be OTT and have different ball flights. Driver severe OTT equals a gross, long curving slice. With an iron, there's no sidespin so it's a cruddy pull. I have many swing issues but I absolutely hate being OTT. I saw it on video last night... I was hoping to be 'past' this already.

11-18-2008, 05:23 PM	#8 (permalink)
thefuture37 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 712	post down the line video you say you have NSA. watch it again. and then actually do it. it sounds like you are flipping it also

11-18-2008, 05:28 PM	#9 (permalink)
jenhaoyen Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 360	I think alot of times when you come over the top (can't do sd) is because you over rotate your left arm. I used not be able to do SD and I used to flip and come over the top because if i don't do so I have no chance to hit that ball/square the club face. It's kinda like hitting a baseball, do you see anybody rotate their left forearm on the backswing? no, because then your bat will be parallel to the ground, it will be hard for you to hit the ball. Just my two cents.

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