12-17-2008, 09:06 PM
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|  Here's what I think - Ben Hogan swings his hands back on the elbow plane and swings them down on the elbow plane. At the top, to my eye (my ignorant, severely uneducated eye), it seems as if his hands are below the turned shoulder plane. So, by my analysis, Ben Hogan had a "one plane" golf swing. Take that for what it's worth (a grain of something...). My suggestion would be to educate yourself on what the elbow plane and turned shoulder plane are. A quick forum search will have you swimming in some knowledge. Also, wait and hope for an answer from someone who knows this stuff well, 'cause it ain't me. |
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12-17-2008, 09:16 PM
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12-17-2008, 10:02 PM
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If Hogan's swing looked like Olin Browne's, he would be viewed as the Chris Demarco of his time. And there would be no Hogan fanboys living today, despite his majors. Last edited by niblick1; 12-17-2008 at 10:40 PM. | |
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12-17-2008, 11:27 PM
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| Not.  Ok. In a standard ORTHODOX backswing, the golfer starts on either the elbow plane or the hands only plane, and shifts up to the turned shoulder plane by the end of the backswing. The end of the backswing. Parallel or longer. You dig? Just as Anthony Kim isn't "on" the Turned Shoulder Plane when he completes his backswing, Hogan—who loved to make short swings and hit all sort of less than full shots—often isn't "on" the TSP at the completion of his backswing either. Because... Hogan and Kim hadn't got to the end yet. They made abbreviated backswings. Comprende? BTW, Good post Future.
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12-18-2008, 09:31 AM
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 | Hogan did not use the same plane angle from address to follow through. For example, look at page 89 in Five Lessons- the shaft plane at address is much shallower than the backswing shaft plane, so a shift is necessary to get the shaft onto his backswing plane. However, Hogan's shaft plane angle was basically the same at address and impact. |
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12-18-2008, 09:57 AM
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| Technically, using the author's of OP/TP theory, Hogan was a one planer, since his lead arm plane was not higher than his shoulder plane AT THE TOP. End of message  The very term "one plane" is just a marketing name. In a full swing, there are no possibilities of having one single plane, unless one's rear elbow joint can hypothetically move in all directions. Hogan was a double shifter, as Snead, as Trevino, as Moe, etc. The majority of great ballstrikers were double shifters returning to the elbow plane relatively early in the downswing. Cheers
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12-18-2008, 10:17 PM
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| Is that Monty beside Hogan?
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12-18-2008, 10:51 PM
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