Holy Grail of Golf Swings?

[dbl]

Why use "hands" for left arm ccw rotation? I concentrate on left elbow (and bicep). An Ernest Jones swing (ala SD) is not having the hands do much, it's the arm that is rotating.

[Bronco Billy]

Originally Posted by dbl

Why use "hands" for left arm ccw rotation? I concentrate on left elbow (and bicep). An Ernest Jones swing (ala SD) is not having the hands do much, it's the arm that is rotating.

The Ideal GolfSwing Method/Pattern Backswing is defined by ccw ie.(TwistAwaying) the left arm to SQUARE the ClubFace on the BackSwing.... Maintain this SQUARE ClubFace on the DownSwing and You Will absolutely Wail the GolfBall.... And as Kevin Says You May Even ReCoil from This Powerful Square Hit.......

[jenhaoyen]

Originally Posted by Bronco Billy

The Ideal GolfSwing Method/Pattern Backswing is defined by ccw ie.(TwistAwaying) the left arm to SQUARE the ClubFace on the BackSwing.... Maintain this SQUARE ClubFace on the DownSwing and You Will absolutely Wail the GolfBall.... And as Kevin Says You May Even ReCoil from This Powerful Square Hit.......

not if you are swinging way to the right..i dun think. If you hold on to that square club face and continue to swing to the right without any release, i think the club face will be really open at impact.

[Guitar Hero]

Originally Posted by Bronco Billy

The Ideal GolfSwing Method/Pattern Backswing is defined by ccw ie.(TwistAwaying) the left arm to SQUARE the ClubFace on the BackSwing.... Maintain this SQUARE ClubFace on the DownSwing and You Will absolutely Wail the GolfBall.... And as Kevin Says You May Even ReCoil from This Powerful Square Hit.......

The action to put the sweet spot in balance with this method is done with the left hand. It is like turning a screw driver counter clockwise with the thumb and index finger to the correct balance position of the sweet spot. This needs to be done just before or at the same time the club head starts moving to the back swing. If you do it with the left arm you will miss the sweet spot balance with too much rotation most of the time and create tension in the left forearm. You do not need to hold this position with tension once the sweet spot is moving in balance. You will move the sweet spot out of balance if you add forearm rotation on the down swing or prevent it from moving correctly from tension. The correct grip is also important for the correct action so get rid of the strong grip if you have one. Over rotation and tension will destroy this action. Also you better have a good pivot!

[Bronco Billy]

Originally Posted by Guitar Hero

The action to put the sweet spot in balance with this method is done with the left hand. It is like turning a screw driver counter clockwise with the thumb and index finger to the correct balance position of the sweet spot. This needs to be done just before or at the same time the club head starts moving to the back swing. If you do it with the left arm you will miss the sweet spot balance with too much rotation most of the time and create tension in the left forearm. You do not need to hold this position with tension once the sweet spot is moving in balance. You will move the sweet spot out of balance if you add forearm rotation on the down swing or prevent it from moving correctly from tension. The correct grip is also important for the correct action so get rid of the strong grip if you have one. Over rotation and tension will destroy this action. Also you better have a good pivot!

You are Describing the "Curl" in the Square to Square Golf Swing.... This is Where I Started Years Ago an Eventully Evolved into the Ideal BackSwing Method/Pattern(TwistAway Aka CounterRotation(CR))..... Keep Workin on it John... You Will Eventually Get There.... Have a Great Day with Your New Found Knowledge......

[Guitar Hero]

Originally Posted by Bronco Billy

You are Describing the "Curl" in the Square to Square Golf Swing.... This is Where I Started Years Ago an Eventully Evolved into the Ideal BackSwing Method/Pattern(TwistAway Aka CounterRotation(CR))..... Keep Workin on it John... You Will Eventually Get There.... Have a Great Day with Your New Found Knowledge......

It is not a new idea to twist the left hand counter clockwise and many books, instructors and great players have talked about it for years. Putting the sweet spot in balance is the first step. A correct twist away will do it. The key is once you get the sweet spot in balance you have to know the range of movement you have with it or you will lose it. You do have to know where the sweet spot balance range is to twist away correctly as well. Just twisting is not going to get it. Keeping the sweet spot in balance during the swing is the key and I have yet to see any book or instructor talk about it until now. It sounds like you have learned how to do it like many good players but good luck just teaching the twist away to golfers. There is more to it than that. I hope this will help in your search.

[mb6606]

Originally Posted by Guitar Hero

It is not a new idea to twist the left hand counter clockwise and many books, instructors and great players have talked about it for years. Putting the sweet spot in balance is the first step. A correct twist away will do it. The key is once you get the sweet spot in balance you have to know the range of movement you have with it or you will lose it. You do have to know where the sweet spot balance range is to twist away correctly as well. Just twisting is not going to get it. Keeping the sweet spot in balance during the swing is the key and I have yet to see any book or instructor talk about it until now. It sounds like you have learned how to do it like many good players but good luck just teaching the twist away to golfers. There is more to it than that. I hope this will help in your search.

What you are describing is the flat left wrist. Homer Kelley in his first newletter dated April 1982 explained exactly the importance and why. Set the flat left wrist on the backswing, maintain the FLW and drive the FLW into the ball.

[Bronco Billy]

Originally Posted by Guitar Hero

It is not a new idea to twist the left hand counter clockwise and many books, instructors and great players have talked about it for years. Putting the sweet spot in balance is the first step. A correct twist away will do it. The key is once you get the sweet spot in balance you have to know the range of movement you have with it or you will lose it. You do have to know where the sweet spot balance range is to twist away correctly as well. Just twisting is not going to get it. Keeping the sweet spot in balance during the swing is the key and I have yet to see any book or instructor talk about it until now. It sounds like you have learned how to do it like many good players but good luck just teaching the twist away to golfers. There is more to it than that. I hope this will help in your search.

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[Brian Manzella]

Originally Posted by Bronco Billy

You are Describing the "Curl" ...(TwistAway Aka CounterRotation(CR)

Originally Posted by Guitar Hero

It is not a new idea to twist the left hand counter clockwise...A correct twist away will do it....Just twisting is not going to get it....good luck just teaching the twist away to golfers.

Originally Posted by mb6606

What you are describing is the flat left wrist. Homer Kelley in his first newletter dated April 1982 explained exactly the importance and why. Set the flat left wrist on the backswing, maintain the FLW and drive the FLW into the ball.

Don't throw me under the bus with all of this stuff...

The "Twistaway" is NOT a wrist-only motion, it is NOT a backswing only motion, it will not produce a top of the backswing position like the "Square-to-Square" Method picture, and is NOT what Homer Kelley is talking about with the flat left wrist.

[pm4610]

Originally Posted by Brian Manzella

Don't throw me under the bus with all of this stuff...

The "Twistaway" is NOT a wrist-only motion, it is NOT a backswing only motion, it will not produce a top of the backswing position like the "Square-to-Square" Method picture, and is NOT what Homer Kelley is talking about with the flat left wrist.

Arrrgh!! All this time I thought it was a "wrist-only" motion