Too much swivel?

[smooth]

Hi guys, i've had a bit of a problem of closing the clubface too much on the downswing and hitting iron shots straight left (have put a barrier outside of the ball so have confirmed not bending the plane left).

My instructor has me working on very small swings below waist high trying to hit the ball straight, which for the life of me i'm finding very difficult! anything with compression is still going a long way left (hit the odd ones straight but with no compression).

On the weekend out of frustration i karate chopped my left hand down at the ball and didn't think about rotation of the hands - worked well, lots of compression and the ball went straight.

The question is have i built too much rotation into my swing and now have to scale it back? doing so feels really scary as it *feels* like i'm going to shank it each time.

Thanks!

[Brian Manzella]

Can you swivel too much?

For funzies, let's say that the "Swivel" is a flat left wristed full roll of the left arm and wrist to "wedding ring up."

Now....can you do that too much?

To start with, some folks have too strong a grip for that kind of swivel, and shouldn't use it.

Or it just doesn't suit their pattern.

But....

I can fade it doing it.

So....

If you are hooking-pulling-leftshoting, and you want to full roll swivel, you need more:

1. Left path

2. Axis tilt WITH open shoulders & hips

3. Forward hands

4. Open face

[smooth]

Thanks Brian, i think point number 3 has it, more forward lean. Thats the sensation i got anyway when thinking karate chop with the left hand.. ball flight immediately straightened out. Maybe a bit of leakage has crept in, prematurely closing the face.

Thanks again

[ggsjpc]

Originally Posted by smooth

Thanks Brian, i think point number 3 has it, more forward lean. Thats the sensation i got anyway when thinking karate chop with the left hand.. ball flight immediately straightened out. Maybe a bit of leakage has crept in, prematurely closing the face.

Thanks again

Try changing the when instead of the amount.

[Kevin Shields]

Brian is my teacher for life based on our first meeting when he hit the full roll fade. Honestly.

Originally Posted by Kevin Shields

Brian is my teacher for life based on our first meeting when he hit the full roll fade. Honestly.

Did he do that with a Manzella neutral grip?

[Jim Kobylinski]

Originally Posted by Zztop

Did he do that with a Manzella neutral grip?

Probably BUT you can still fade it doing that by adjusting plane line/club face alignments. I have done it for students in a lesson to PROVE to them you won't hook it off the earth with that type of swivel if you do it right.

Originally Posted by Jim Kobylinski

Probably BUT you can still fade it doing that by adjusting plane line/club face alignments. I have done it for students in a lesson to PROVE to them you won't hook it off the earth with that type of swivel if you do it right.

So it 's not grip type dependent i.e. strong or neutral?

[Kevin Shields]

His is neutral but you can be slightly stronger and still fade it with a full roll.

Originally Posted by Kevin Shields

His is neutral but you can be slightly stronger and still fade it with a full roll.

If you think about it, knowing that alone blows up the old ball flight laws. Most people would think you'd hook it off the planet doing that. So you would have to say to yourself what else is going on here to make that happen?