Which TGM grip type is this?

[dsmith2296]

Does anybody have a link to or remember all the TGM grips types and their descriptions?

[Brian Manzella]

why?

[pecky987]

maybe he'd like to know?

[needham]

Originally Posted by dsmith2296

Does anybody have a link to or remember all the TGM grips types and their descriptions?

why worry about what's in a book you don't own?

[dsmith2296]

Originally Posted by Brian Manzella

why?

Because, Brian, I have been trying to achieve lag and maximum trigger delay for 5 years with a FLW and I am finally doing it, partially at least, here in this simple 3/4 wedge shot: (as I posted in the other thread, but will here again for convenience)

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but, without a FLW and, instead, what I believe to be a triple action grip of some sort. I'm sure some folks are sick of hearing about it, since I think it now permeates thru 4 different threads I've started, but I have NO trigger delay with a FLW. I can't do it. If your pause my downswing in this clip, there is no question I have 10 times the trigger delay you ever filmed me with in a lesson with a FLW and neutral grip.

The action I am using here is working very well for me from a POWER perspective and I am actually starting to make it work with 3-5 irons, too.

So I wanted to see what kind of TGM defined grip I have to see what pattern it fits in.

[Brian Manzella]

Originally Posted by dsmith2296

Because, Brian, I have been trying to achieve lag and maximum trigger delay for 5 years with a FLW and I am finally doing it, partially at least...

You've have had "lag" pressure for a long time now. Trigger Delay, not so much.

You have more in the video, and I'll comment on that below.

Originally Posted by dsmith2296

(In the video I am using) what I believe to be a triple action grip of some sort. I have NO trigger delay with a FLAT LEFT WRIST. I can't do it. If your pause my downswing in this clip, there is no question I have 10 times the trigger delay you ever filmed me with in a lesson with a FLW and neutral grip.

No doubt.

But, I never have even TRIED to get you into a "more trigger delay" look. I really don't do that for the most part.

I can.

But, it has always been my feeling that some patterns don't need it, and some folks can't PLAY any better doing it.

ANYONE CAN—and will if they try—be able to achieve more angle between their left arm and the clubshaft with a BENT LEFT WRIST than a flat one. It is simple anatomy and geometry.

And just so you know, I don't always teach folks a neutral grip, and am sure I've let you have yours stronger as well.

Originally Posted by dsmith2296

The action I am using here is working very well for me from a POWER perspective and I am actually starting to make it work with 3-5 irons, too.

That's awesome!

I suggest that ANYONE who wishes to achieve more delay, or angle, or accumulator lag, or whatever you want to call it, WHO DOESN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH SQUARING THE FACE UP (like Darby, who was de-Sliced by me years ago), to try to do just as Mathew was pointing out the other day, and I have as well over the years on this forum, let the left wrist bend on the downswing to get more wrist cock.

If, and only if, you want more snap, and won't cry if it doesn't work on the course, and you have no problem squaring up the club.

Originally Posted by dsmith2296

So I wanted to see what kind of TGM defined grip I have to see what pattern it fits in.

There is NO PLACE ON EARTH that classifies what you are looking for.

I teach more patterns than almost anyone, and even I don't have a "place" on this forum to go and plug in: MAXIMUM TRIGGER DELAY PATTERNS and get a list, or TRIPLE ACTION GRIPS and get a selection, it doesn't exist.

You probably just have a strong grip now, knowing what TGM grip type it is is a waste of time, but just because you asked:

My comments in Red...

10-2-D.STRONG DOUBLE ACTION T/V/A Now the Right Wrist is Vertical and the Left Wrist is Turned to the top of the Clubshaft so that the Left Wristcocking motion will be on the same line as the Right Wrist
Bend.

In english, this means you have a normal right hand grip, and a left hand grip that has the palm facing the plane. And, when you cock the left wrist, you won't have to turn it.

The #3 Pressure Point and the left thumb are also on the same line as the Right Wrist Bend. Double Action-same as 10-2-C.

In english, this means that the right forefinger is behind the shaft, and so is the left thumb, and when you bend the right wrist straight back, the let wrist cocks on the same plane.

Very compatible with Cut Shot procedures.

Absolutely.

Because, if you try to roll anything to draw or mini-hook it, and you overdo it the very slightest, you'll smother hook the crap out of it.

Any Left Wrist Bend at Impact Fix should be maintained throughout the Stroke.

I totally disagree.

Any, btw, no one worth a lick does this.

You WILL bend the left wrist more than at "posed impact" or you won't get all of the angle that Darby is talking about.

And, you'll hit it short as heck and better make every 10-footer you look at.

This Grip Type features maximum Wristcocking action...

Not if you don't bend the left wrist more than at "posed impact"

...and strong support for both Acceleration and Impact loads.

I totally agree.

Btw, this means you can change direction hard as you please, and hit it hard as heck.

See John Daly.

But watch you don't burn your eyes on those pantsases.

The palm of the Right Hand moves toward Impact exactly like a paddle-wheel rotating On Plane-no separate Rolling Motion until after Impact. See 10-10-C.

This means the right hand stays vertical (cutting through) the plane during release and to the follow-through.

It'd better.

[dsmith2296]

Brian, I am trully impressed by the accuracy of your grip/wrist observations and your ability to put them in TGM terms, then explain it in simple English- and even without a decent enough camera angle to visually see my hands and wrists positions. You are exactly correct.

Yes, I am putting a somewhat weak right hand grip on top of a strong left hand grip so that my right trigger finger and left thumb are behind the shaft. I had tried that before but that pattern is AWFUL with throwaway, but its packing a whallop for me right now that I am lagging it better.

You answered the question the thread was posted for perfectly.

And are you skeptical of this pattern?-you've seen my throwaway videos of years past, do you like this better?

[glcoach]

He said you have more trigger delay now than you did...but you have had lag pressure, which is distinctly different from lag, for a long time now.

Like you, I was on a quest to have the max lag swing and it ended up setting me back, I could look a lot like you on video, but also like you, it looked forced.

I understand your obsession, and if that is all you want, then great. But...I bet you play better golf with a more dynamic and less forced pattern...JMO

[dsmith2296]

Originally Posted by glcoach

He said you have more trigger delay now than you did...but you have had lag pressure, which is distinctly different from lag, for a long time now.

ok- I see, I read it wrong..

To put this more in perspective and at the risk of embarrassing myself, here is my first attempt at a FLW swing in 2004 (same spot in my yard-- proof this was along time ago)....ughhh... but you can see where I started and perhaps can discern more about my post....

Old Bad Swing

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[vjcapron]

All that lag is easy to obtain when you aren't swinging at a ball. In other words, this doesn't "count". Kind of like when you have a hole in one playing by yourself with no witnesses.

Having said that, though, your new motion is 100 times better than your old motion.