endless belt

[armourall]

These questions are related to Brian's endless belt video answer...

How do you extend the line path? Does more axis tilt mean a longer line (and smaller pulley), or is there more to it? Will different shoulder turns (rotated vs.flat--or even "steep") have an effect?

How does the amount of Accumulator #3 angle apply to pulley size? And what would be the benefits of a large vs. a small pulley?

[MizunoJoe]

quote:Originally posted by armourall

These questions are related to Brian's endless belt video answer...

How do you extend the line path? Does more axis tilt mean a longer line (and smaller pulley), or is there more to it? Will different shoulder turns (rotated vs.flat--or even "steep") have an effect?

How does the amount of Accumulator #3 angle apply to pulley size? And what would be the benefits of a large vs. a small pulley?

Axis tilt is what makes the straight line delivery path possible - it's actually more of a straight line delivery effort. The pics in the yellow book are very exaggerated.

The larger the pulley, the higher the hand speed required, the smaller the pulley, the less hand speed required. The advantage of the smaller pulley is that high head speed is available to those without the pivotal speed of more talented players.

By setting up with high hands, i.e., minimizing #3, the pulley concept becomes much clearer.

[hiroshiro]

[quote]Originally posted by MizunoJoe


The larger the pulley, the higher the hand speed required, the smaller the pulley, the less hand speed required. The advantage of the smaller pulley is that high head speed is available to those without the pivotal speed of more talented players.


MizunoJoe:

Are there any disadvantages to using a small pulley?

hiro

[tongzilla]

quote:Originally posted by armourall



How does the amount of Accumulator #3 angle apply to pulley size? And what would be the benefits of a large vs. a small pulley?

The bigger the Accumulator #3 angle, the earlier the Release must begin, and hence the larger the pulley.

Benefits of large pulley
Greater sense of Lag Pressure; a deliberate, heavy and positive stroke.

Benefits of small pulley
Faster clubhead speed for a given handspeed; "efforless power".

[MizunoJoe]

quote:Originally posted by hiroshiro


Are there any disadvantages to using a small pulley?

None, IF you can do it!

[birdie_man]

Can someone give examples of players with large/small pullies?

Just to make sure I understand...

This is one of the concepts I still an a little new to....hard to learn from text alone (thanks to Brian and his vid for clearing the fog).

[MizunoJoe]

quote:Originally posted by tongzilla

The bigger the Accumulator #3 angle, the earlier the Release must begin, and hence the larger the pulley.

With the exception of using up #3 in uncocking in a Swinging procedure. Since #2 and #3 are sequenced, with low hands at address, you can delay the release and then uncock past the address angle giving a small pulley.

[hiroshiro]

quote:Originally posted by MizunoJoe

None, IF you can do it!

Thanks, MizunoJoe.

Using a small pulley is something I have been working on recently with a fair degree of success, at least with the irons.

[tongzilla]

quote:Originally posted by MizunoJoe

With the exception of using up #3 in uncocking in a Swinging procedure. Since #2 and #3 are sequenced, with low hands at address, you can delay the release and then uncock past the address angle giving a small pulley.

There is no exception Joe -- everything else being equal, a bigger Accumulator #3 angle will give an earlier release and hence a larger pulley. Remember, the Left Wrist should always be Level at Impact. The amount of Accumulator #3 with a Level Left Wrist remains constant throughout the Stroke. Considering that the grip should always be placed under the heel of the left hand, this is what gives the Acuumulator #3 angle with a Level Left Wrist, regardless of how high or low you set your hands at Address. So, there will always be Accumulator #3 angle at Impact, and hence it can't be "used up" in the way you've described.

[MizunoJoe]

quote:Originally posted by tongzilla

There is no exception Joe -- everything else being equal, a bigger Accumulator #3 angle will give an earlier release and hence a larger pulley. Remember, the Left Wrist should always be Level at Impact. The amount of Accumulator #3 with a Level Left Wrist remains constant throughout the Stroke. Considering that the grip should always be placed under the heel of the left hand, this is what gives the Acuumulator #3 angle with a Level Left Wrist, regardless of how high or low you set your hands at Address. So, there will always be Accumulator #3 angle at Impact, and hence it can't be "used up" in the way you've described.

I didn't say #3 would be totally used up. But anyone who has low hands at address and goes through impact with the hands considerably higher has used up some #3 in uncocking. You need to look at some photos of Mac O from DTL. A large #3 angle at address can be thought of as a built in left wrist pre-cock, and has no bearing on where the release point is.