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    I was talking to Jimmy K about lie angles and got confused.

    Let's say you put some tape on the sole of your 7 iron to check the lie angle.

    After a few shots, the markings are toward the toe of the club.

    My conclusion is the following:

    Marks on toe = plane angle at impact too upright for the club = more upright lie angle needed

    Jim says that:

    Marks on toe = flatter lie angle needed

    Which is correct?

    (Assume orthodox swing, impact on sweetspot, etc.)
    Last edited by tongzilla; 02-16-2009 at 06:24 PM.
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    Off the top of my head I would say the clubs are too upright so you would want them flatter. NEO (non-expert opinion)

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    He may mean that you need a flatter swing for that particular club to acheive a more center of the tape. If your swung is optimal though all things considered, you need a club that is more upright to combat the toe contact. The ball flight would be slicing to the right on this toe contact (if the cluface is square at impact)

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    If you didn't hit the shot in the sweetspot, no conclusion can be drawn. If it hit the sweetspot and their was a mark on the toe, it could be two things. Lie angle to flat or plane line too far left/plane angle too vertical.
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    If marks are on the toe you need a more upright lie angle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolt View Post
    He may mean that you need a flatter swing for that particular club to acheive a more center of the tape. If your swung is optimal though all things considered, you need a club that is more upright to combat the toe contact. The ball flight would be slicing to the right on this toe contact (if the cluface is square at impact)
    Agreed. Marks on toe = flatter swing and/or more upright lie angle needed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Notorious B.E.N. View Post
    If marks are on the toe you need a more upright lie angle.
    Agreed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ggsjpc View Post
    If it hit the sweetspot and their was a mark on the toe, it could be two things. Lie angle too flat or plane line too far left/plane angle too vertical.
    Agreed. So solution is more upright lie angle and/or flatter swing plane angle and/or swing more to the right field.
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    Yes you need a "golf club" that is more upright or a flatter "swing".

    Of course there are more variables depending on where the ball goes and if the mark is on the front edge or back edge of club. Ie a golfer could turn the club closed and get a strike on the toe, but it would be the front edge of the toe. A golfer sometimes does this if they have had clubs that are too flat for them and slice with a on plane swing and square face at impact so they turn it over and down hitting a hook.

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    I've seen a lot of bad fittings over the years.

    Guys get put in gear that is way too upright because of their steep swing. The upright prescription acts like a band aid for the moment, but the teacher didn't fix the root.

    In my many years at this stuff, I haven't found many folks that haven't been within 2 degrees of standard either way.
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