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    It is commonly accepted that when a golfer makes a full swing without manipulating the club face, the club face will open during the backswing. Twist away from NSA will decrease this opening and laying the club off will increase it.

    What is the reason for this natural club face opening? Where does it come from, i.e. shoulder, arm, elbow, wrist or other?
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    My best guess:

    The rotation of the body ( the pivot), the folding of the right elbow, and the flattening of the left wrist orients the the back of the left hand to lay on the inclined plane. With a proper grip, the club head is just following the lead of the left hand.
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    Left forearm rotation opens the clubface.

    There will always be some rotation in the full golf swing.You can minimise it with twistaway or an upright backswing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpvegas1 View Post
    To all:

    It is commonly accepted that when a golfer makes a full swing without manipulating the club face, the club face will open during the backswing. Twist away from NSA will decrease this opening and laying the club off will increase it.

    What is the reason for this natural club face opening? Where does it come from, i.e. shoulder, arm, elbow, wrist or other?
    Interesting question.

    Don't think I ever thought about why so much...just knew it had to be done one way or another. Have thought about how NO doubt.

    I'd say it's just to control the clubface however you need to do it or how you do it best.

    All pivots pivot. (turn) So to me that's out.

    There can easily be differences in wrist movements with all else equal.

    That is to say wrist action is fairly isolated.
    "birdie_man" guy

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    You cannot get to the top of the back swing WITHOUT rotating the club open.

    Remember the Bmanz's statement that even a "shut" face at the top is just "less open" and that "square" is just what is generally agreed as the "right" amount of open.
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    The clubface rotates open automatically on the backswing without any conscious manipulation on the part of the golfer.

    My questions are still why does this occur and where does it occur?
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    I would say left forearm, just a guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpvegas1 View Post
    The clubface rotates open automatically on the backswing without any conscious manipulation on the part of the golfer.

    My questions are still why does this occur and where does it occur?
    Depends on the needs of the golfer, but IN GENERAL..I'd say it opens immediately off the ball. As for the science of why, maybe Brian and Mandrin can help.

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    Brian covers this in at least one of his videos, can't remember which one.


    I suspect the question is part of the problem. The word Open needs a qualifier. Open as compared to what? The plane? The Target line?
    Also you can't really divorce the forearms from the right elbow as they are connected.

    I would say that there are a whole lot of people that start there backswings with a roll of the wrists open. Causes all kinds of problems. Watch good golfer take-away and you will see the right hand on top longer.
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    It has to do with how your shoulders are constructed. When you were in school and you raised your hand, the palm faced the teacher. In order for you arm to go up any significant degree, your scapula has to turn out, which turns your arm clockwise. Thus when you make a backswing and you lift your arms, the FLW turns clockwise.
    Onwards and upwards...

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