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    Default Upright Swings are badóright?

    Chew on this, flat swing lovers.

    And please, don't choke on it.

    All you have is your hand path, the force along that path, and torque about that path.


    That's your means for creating the proper D-Plane with the proper speed, for the desired shot.


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    Default It should be noted...

    I have NOTHING against flat swings.

    If they work.

    If they produce a good kinetic chain snap, and control the D-Plane.

    I have many students with flatter swings than the ones in the above pic.

    And I have some MORE upright.
    All you have is your hand path, the force along that path, and torque about that path.


    That's your means for creating the proper D-Plane with the proper speed, for the desired shot.


    Golf Magazine Top 100 Teacher Brian Manzella's travels extensively teaching golfers and instructors, and his home base is English Turn Golf & Country Club in New Orleans, Louisiana

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    Dear Brian,

    Would you also please share how do you define by flat swing? Anything below the turned right shoulder socket plane? Some examples will be great too.

    BTW, "Upright swing" ; "Flat swing"...I used to have a question in my mind...what if Jack swung like Hogan and Hogan swung like Sam?...what a silly question!
    If you cannot take the shoulder down the club shaft plane, you must take along some other path and add compensations - now, instead of one motion to remember, you wind up with at least two!

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    Default Yeah, baby!

    Quote Originally Posted by KOC View Post
    Would you also please share how do you define by flat swing? Anything below the turned right shoulder socket plane?
    That's how I would define it, yes.


    Quote Originally Posted by KOC View Post
    "Upright swing" ; "Flat swing"...I used to have a question in my mind...what if Jack swung like Hogan and Hogan swung like Sam?...what a silly question!
    If Jack swung like Hogan he'd have sold insurance or took over his Dad's Drug Store business. If Hogan swung like Sam, he'd would not have made it, and might have been a great club pro.

    As far as examples go, I'll wait a bit.

    I just REALLY wanted to do this one for a long time.

    The "POP INSTRUCTION" idea, that the left arm needs to be parallel to the shoulder lines is how the "Flat Lovers" define their preference for flatness.

    "They say" that this will produce the most speed.

    They are missing about 100 other elements.

    But, let's see, they'll say the folks in the pictures are wrong somehow.

    Mark it down.
    All you have is your hand path, the force along that path, and torque about that path.


    That's your means for creating the proper D-Plane with the proper speed, for the desired shot.


    Golf Magazine Top 100 Teacher Brian Manzella's travels extensively teaching golfers and instructors, and his home base is English Turn Golf & Country Club in New Orleans, Louisiana

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    I flattened my swing quite a bit this year and I get questions about it all of the time. My preference for the flatter swing has to do with, IMO, it being a bit easier to avoid coming OTT with a flatter swing. I think this happens to golfers in general just because my line of thinking is if you play a shot with a lie well above your feet, your swing flattens out quite a bit and it's very difficult to come OTT, which is probably my largest flaw that I fall back into.

    But quite simply, there's plenty of golfers that either don't struggle with the occassional OTT move or the more upright swing just 'makes sense' to them. Essentially, no 'one way' to swing the club. People should know that by now, unfortunately too many do not.





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    I think one of the reasons pop instruction like flatness is because it gives a sense of security and tightness with the right elbow closer to the body. The swing feels tidier and more repeatable. The hands/elbow needs to travel a smaller distance to drop into the "slot" (another pop instruction concept).

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    Brian/ others,

    First off, I agree with you and I have a swing thats upright and slighly across the line.
    How would you counter the claim of pop-instruction that upright swings lead to wildness and inconsistency?

    If I'm shooting for a SD pattern and I find myself somedays on the course hitting pushes/hooks- would you encourage me to add some NHA2 feel on those days? Maybe "shake the sugar" or yellow brick road?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tongzilla View Post
    I think one of the reasons pop instruction like flatness is because it gives a sense of security and tightness with the right elbow closer to the body. The swing feels tidier and more repeatable. The hands/elbow needs to travel a smaller distance to drop into the "slot" (another pop instruction concept).
    About one year from now some Golf Digest Top Ten Teacher will conduct some extensive "research," and this innovative cutting-edge research will result in his "discovery" of the secret of the upright swing, and give it a new name like the High Explosion swing; hence the lemmings will have something new to write about for a year.

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    Even better, you have some of the games most powerful/longest players in this group as well. Hmmmmmm

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    Default Great Post - Reassuring

    I can't tell you how much time I've spent trying to get my swing flatter at the top. I was too busy trying to emulate pictures and trace invisible lines, rather than addressing the root causes of my misses (over-rotation of left arm, pop-out and poor pivot).

    Showing some of the all-time greats in positions that would be considered "upright" by some in the instruction community is very reassuring and only reinforces the concept of customization.

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