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    Default A New Take on Mac O'Grady

    Unlike some people, I will admit when I was wrong.

    I was wrong.

    I was wrong about Mac O'Grady.

    I still believe that unless you have had to "teach to eat" and had to do it with "no supply," you will never ever reach your full potential as an Instructor.

    Need to, trumps all.

    Mac O'Grady was given "world-class" teacher status by the golf media without ever having to get Mrs. Haversham a GOOD lesson so he could pay his car note becuase she came back.

    Nevertheless, Mac obviously is a good teacher, and has a lot of good ideas about the swing. I am not taking back my C+ I gave him in a review either, until I see him teach a hacker not to hack, and until he comes up with SOMETHING to help golf besides low hands and a new classification system.

    That's NOT what I am talking about here. What I am talking about, is how Mac went his own way (away from The Golfing Machine), and how he doesn't talk to some people anymore.

    I get it.

    The Golfing Machine as a book is a work of a genius, and as a system that explains all methods is brilliant. As a community of Instructors it is a wonderful thing, with the exception of a half-dozen people out of 200+.

    But, it is also an anchor around your waist. It is a thing that other pros can scoff at, and people can use against you in different ways.

    Of course the scoffers are dead wrong and the "against you's" are misguided at best, but it IS harder, simply because you have to win two battles—your teaching and The "Machine."

    Trust me, being part of three camps that are always shot at can get old, and I am sure it did for Mac. He had enough and just bolted. MORAD was—if nothing else—marketing genius. It doesn't make what he did—denouce the Book—right, I just understand it better now, that's all.

    As far as my association with The Golfing Machine, and The Golfing Machine, LLC, it is as strong as ever. I can't wait for the TGM Summit, because for three days, we will have strength in numbers. Great guys this group. Maybe Mac will rejoin the fold one day. You never know.

    Mac is very easily "put-off" and plays the "I can not talk to you anymore" game a bit too much for anyone's taste. I'll talk to anyone, and will continue to, but, at least I do understand WHY Mac does it.

    He has been burned—a lot.

    So here goes:

    "Mac, please accept my apologies for not understanding your position on things. I just needed to get it right in my coconut. Hope to attend one of your seminars in the future. I am sure I can learn a lot from you. Maybe one day, you can present at the TGM Summit"

    —Brian Manzella
    Last edited by Lisa Manzella; 10-23-2006 at 08:03 PM.
    All you have is your hand path, the force along that path, and torque about that path.


    That's your means for creating the proper D-Plane with the proper speed, for the desired shot.


    Golf Magazine Top 100 Teacher Brian Manzella's travels extensively teaching golfers and instructors, and his home base is English Turn Golf & Country Club in New Orleans, Louisiana

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    Nice post, Brian.

    I had the pleasure to meet Mac and watch him play serious golf and it was very enjoyable to hear him talk about his escapades and his ideas on the golf swing. I've always thought that Mac could have contributed much more as a teacher and really made a name for himself with the general golfing public. After putting in so much time and effort into anaylyzing the golf swing, it's a shame that he hasn't done more to pass on the info to others. It's seems to me to be such a waste. Too bad he's not more like you!

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    just a quick thought mac doesnt teach low hands he wants your hands uncoclked at address. He used to have low hands in the 80's and early 90's along with a compensation. Now he has moved on passed that

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    Quote Originally Posted by bantamben2 View Post
    just a quick thought mac doesnt teach low hands he wants your hands uncoclked at address. He used to have low hands in the 80's and early 90's along with a compensation. Now he has moved on passed that
    I can second that, having attended a MORAD course in Sepember. Butt of club pointing at the belly button.

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    Default Three Battles — Everyday.

    1. THE PUBLIC and OTHER PROS: That I—Brian Manzella—know what I am talking about and can help people through this site, videos and lessons, and am as good as I say I am.

    2. THE PUBLIC and OTHER PROS: That "The Golfing Machine" has the answers to how the swing works and can be a positive in anyones game, when the concepts of the book are taught to the student by an AI (or someone who knows the book) in a way that benifits the student.

    3. THE BOOK POLICE: That I teach "The Golfing Machine" correctly—or more importantly—or to properly suit them.

    Mac O'Grady, David Leadbetter, Jim McClean, Rick Smith, Butch Harmon, Hank Haney, Jim Hardy....

    Only have to deal with battle #1....
    All you have is your hand path, the force along that path, and torque about that path.


    That's your means for creating the proper D-Plane with the proper speed, for the desired shot.


    Golf Magazine Top 100 Teacher Brian Manzella's travels extensively teaching golfers and instructors, and his home base is English Turn Golf & Country Club in New Orleans, Louisiana

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    Brian,

    I came across this page on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Golf_instructors (which is obviously missing a few good names), and followed the link to Mac O'Grady http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_O%27Grady and was confused by the recent anonymous edit that includes your name: "Phillip McClelland "Mac" O'Grady (born April 26, 1951) is an American professional golfer and golf teaching professional who played on the PGA Tour in the 1970s and 1980s, after learning from Brian Manzella."

    BTW, you can create your own page by searching for your name, which won't be found, then click the link to start editing your own bio. At the bottom of the page add [[Category:Golf instructors|Manzella, Brian]]

    --Peter

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    Default Mac edited.

    Even I know more about Mac than this.

    I edited it, but I'll return and make it even more correct.

    He deserves it.
    All you have is your hand path, the force along that path, and torque about that path.


    That's your means for creating the proper D-Plane with the proper speed, for the desired shot.


    Golf Magazine Top 100 Teacher Brian Manzella's travels extensively teaching golfers and instructors, and his home base is English Turn Golf & Country Club in New Orleans, Louisiana

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    I never knew he was born here in Minnesota...just like Homer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Manzella View Post
    Unlike some people, I will admit when I was wrong.

    I was wrong.

    I was wrong about Mac O'Grady.

    I still believe that unless you have had to "teach to eat" and had to do it with "no supply," you will never ever reach your full potential as an Instructor.

    Need to, trumps all.

    Mac O'Grady was given "world-class" teacher status by the golf media without ever having to get Mrs. Haversham a GOOD lesson so he could pay his car note becuase she came back.

    Nevertheless, Mac obviously is a good teacher, and has a lot of good ideas about the swing. I am not taking back my C+ I gave him in a review either, until I see him teach a hacker not to hack, and until he comes up with SOMETHING to help golf besides low hands and a new classification system.

    That's NOT what I am talking about here. What I am talking about, is how Mac went his own way (away from The Golfing Machine), and how he doesn't talk to some people anymore.

    I get it.

    The Golfing Machine as a book is a work of a genius, and as a system that explains all methods is brilliant. As a community of Instructors it is a wonderful thing, with the exception of a half-dozen people out of 200+.

    But, it is also an anchor around your waist. It is a thing that other pros can scoff at, and people can use against you in different ways.

    Of course the scoffers are dead wrong and the "against you's" are misguided at best, but it IS harder, simply because you have to win two battles—your teaching and The "Machine."

    Trust me, being part of three camps that are always shot at can get old, and I am sure it did for Mac. He had enough and just bolted. MORAD was—if nothing else—marketing genius. It doesn't make what he did—denouce the Book—right, I just understand it better now, that's all.

    As far as my association with The Golfing Machine, and The Golfing Machine, LLC, it is as strong as ever. I can't wait for the TGM Summit, because for three days, we will have strength in numbers. Great guys this group. Maybe Mac will rejoin the fold one day. You never know.

    Mac is very easily "put-off" and plays the "I can not talk to you anymore" game a bit too much for anyone's taste. I'll talk to anyone, and will continue to, but, at least I do understand WHY Mac does it.

    He has been burned—a lot.

    So here goes:

    "Mac, please accept my apologies for not understanding your position on things. I just needed to get it right in my coconut. Hope to attend one of your seminars in the future. I am sure I can learn a lot from you. Maybe one day, you can present at the TGM Summit"

    —Brian Manzella
    I would like to say however he was the only guy to take a bunch of kids out on the range at the Queen Mary Open and give them a clinic after the tournament. It was not scheduled, he just saw some kids hitting balls all about 10 to 13 years of age. So he went to help them.
    We all have our ways and routes to the cycle of life, I am in hope no ones taking much account on how I get there.

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    Well...will Mac accept being challenged? Will he tolerate polite challenge to his ideas? Does he still teach a bunch of mumbo jumbo stuff or does he focus these days on clear exposition of swing mechanics?

    IMO, Occam's Razjor is ever sharp...it doesn't take genius to understand any swing. Only clarity and essential truths can reveal the genie-in-us.

    And that is our common shared hope, right? That somehow, "we are not this stinkin' bad, afterall"!

    (You're not! Trust me)...
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