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    Default Why is it so hard to stay down on a shot?

    I think Hogan said the hardest thing for the average golfer to do is stay bent over for 4 seconds. I struggle with this a lot, as do the other 3 in our hacking foursome.

    What gives?

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    Probably something to do with an improper pivot. That's just my guess though.

    I remember Jim starting a thread once about balance in the golf swing. People had various responses, and then Brian chimed in, stating that (pardon my paraphrasing) balance is OVERRATED and that a proper pivot creates balance, and not the other way around. I recall this because I believe that in your case it's a matter of pivoting properly will help you "stay down on it," and that trying to stay down on it will not necessarily help you pivot properly.

    I'd suggest you study the Perfect Pivot articles and the way good players (particularily good ballstrikers) pivot.

    I'd love to hear what Brian and Jim have to say about what specifically helps one "stay down" on the shot.

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    Open clubface and/or flipping.

    Its been my experience that if I know that my clubface is too open I am not going stay down and through a shot, knowing that if I do, I am going to hit it on the heel or maybe hosel. So I completely bail on it and hit it thin because I am trying to flip at the last minute to get the clubface closed.

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    from what i was told when i had this problem that the arms have no room to swing so you lose your spine angle. Holeout is right, an improper pivot will not create room for the right elbow on the downswing.

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    Klutes,
    I have found this "principle" makes an enormous difference to the quality of the strike...
    My personal "cure" for this problem was to follow the advice of not allowing your eyes to move and follow the ball until your right shoulder collects and turns your head (by pressing on the right side of your chin) as the shoulder turns to the follow through...

    This gives the impression of your arms passing in front of your vision from right to left, instead of probably what you are used to, i.e. your eyes (and head) turning though with your arms...

    On most shots you won't re-see the ball until it is past 1/3 of the way to where it is going. So if you start seeing most of the flight of your ball, you know you are coming out of it too early...
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    "I looked off the ball." óDon Villavaso

    "No, you didn't look off the ball, Donald, you hit up!" óBrian Manzella


    Look folks, I watched Pat Browne, Jr. hit 100,000 golf balls, and It didn't matter whether or nor he "looked" off the ball, he is the best blind golfer of all time.

    He didn't come out of the shot either, and he always "stayed down on it."

    He was a very good player.

    Listen good:

    ALL FORCE MUST BE DOWN PLANE!

    Then, even if you actually LOOOKED off the ball, or tried to "come out of the shot" or stand up on it, lost your spine angle, tush line or any HOST of other complete and total BS,

    You'll flush it.

    You see, all of those things are CAUSES.

    The cure is directing the force of your right shoulder and the pivot, as well as the clubhead, and the rest of the power package (hands and arms)...

    DOWN PLANE!

    Got it?
    All you have is your hand path, the force along that path, and torque about that path.


    That's your means for creating the proper D-Plane with the proper speed, for the desired shot.


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    In short, people can't stay down because they don't stay on plane, especially their right shoulder.

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    Jim, you are right. Another way of looking at it is that many struggling golfers are very steep coming down. They need to stand up to make solid contact if that's the case.

    Erik

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Manzella View Post
    "I looked off the [I]ball."
    Listen good:

    ALL FORCE MUST BE DOWN PLANE!

    Then, even if you actually LOOOKED off the ball, or tried to "come out of the shot" or stand up on it, lost your spine angle, tush line or any HOST of other complete and total BS,

    You'll flush it.

    You see, all of those things are CAUSES.


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    I didn't realize all that stuff was the result of not being on plane. That is amazing. That should clear up a lot of misconceptions and get to the core problem with a lot of golfers

    Hell of a post, that Brian, is why people get better by getting lessons from you, the ability to separate fact from fiction
    Moving the hands towards the target....is death.

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    Default What is the most common off-plane movement

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Kobylinski View Post
    In short, people can't stay down because they don't stay on plane, especially their right shoulder.

    Do people tend to go below the plane or above?- what is most common?

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