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    "Ideally, you want your armswing to stop once your shoulder turn has been completed, so your armswing and your trunk are in-sync"

    Is there any validity to this statement?
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    I think a good transition pins your arm further across your chest. So I don't know about that statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tongzilla View Post
    "Ideally, you want your armswing to stop once your shoulder turn has been completed, so your armswing and your trunk are in-sync"

    Is there any validity to this statement?

    I think that if your arms keep going after your shoulders stop in a conventional backswing, the only place the your arms can go is straight up, and for most folks, that puts them in a position to come over the top, or to try and manipulate the arms to achieve an on plane down swing.

    On the other hand, if you take the club away very low and inside, then you will have to raise your arms late in the backswing to put them into a good position for an on plane downswing (a la Raymond Floyd), but I don't think one would go out of their way to learn his unique pattern.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tank View Post
    I think that if your arms keep going after your shoulders stop in a conventional backswing, the only place the your arms can go is straight up, and for most folks, that puts them in a position to come over the top, or to try and manipulate the arms to achieve an on plane down swing.
    Tank you can prevent too much arm lift (if you insist..) by not allowing the left scapula to raise. Let it slide to the left and right, but not upwards..

    So when you get to the point that your body stops rotating you allow the left scapula to pull away from your backbone and your right scapula to slide towards it, but not raise towards your head...This give you the extra 20* for the full 90* turn
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    Quote Originally Posted by puttmad View Post
    Tank you can prevent too much arm lift (if you insist..) by not allowing the left scapula to raise. Let it slide to the left and right, but not upwards..

    So when you get to the point that your body stops rotating you allow the left scapula to pull away from your backbone and your right scapula to slide towards it, but not raise towards your head...This give you the extra 20* for the full 90* turn

    I fully agree. That is an excellent thought for completing the shoulder turn.
    What I have a problem with, is arm travel beyond a completed shoulder turn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tank View Post
    I fully agree. That is an excellent thought for completing the shoulder turn.
    What I have a problem with, is arm travel beyond a completed shoulder turn.
    tank,
    perhaps you need to start down earlier, i.e. force the forward pivot to catch the arms before they go too far back...

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    Sorry, I mis-stated.
    I don't do it in my own swing. I have a problen with seeing others do it. I think they ruin there sequencing by attempting a larger backswing.
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    I was hoping to bring life back to this thread. I am wondering the same thing. Any new thoughts on the relation between the arms and shoulders?

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    Kevin,With your knowledge that was an odd statement. Give it another try. Am very interested in what you think on his statement. I have always took it as gospel and assumed it was correct.

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